Comments on: Frankly Speaking: Francisco Follows Routine After First Loss As Oakland Beats Rangers 5-4

By: Russ

Russ — Tue, 02 Jun 2009 15:20:42 +0000

Mao,

Sorry but you would be absolutely insane not to trade Omar and TT for Bucholz. He has great stuff, his AAA numbers are extremely impressive. He would be a starter for Boston if their rotation wasnt already to crowded with Vets, which Penny will be traded soon. The Sox have balked numerous times at the TT for Bucholz trade, and now your saying, if we throw in a 42 year old SS(who has played great on a limited basis, will he hold up playing everyday) who we only control for the rest of the year, then suddenly, you balk at that? No way.

By: Jon

Jon — Tue, 02 Jun 2009 13:37:30 +0000

morgan & Mao,

First of all it is my understanding that the club only controls Visquel through the end of the year.

Second, Salty has shown enough to where he will remain the starter.

So Mao, no the Rangers are trading two backup players and one with limited club control for a starter. What Boston does with them is irrelevant from the Rangers perspective.

Now jump ahead two years. The Rangers lose both Millwood and Padilla to free agency. However, the starting lineup now includes: Holland, Bucholz, Neftali, and two of Feldman, Harrison, and McCarthy.

I just do not think Theo would do the deal, but I can always hope.

By: Fai Mao

Fai Mao — Tue, 02 Jun 2009 08:39:20 +0000

I agree with Morgan.

At this point I don’t trade Visquel and Teagarden (V&T) for Buchholz.

The Sox would be gain a STARTING short stop and STARTING catcher out of that deal. If all the Rangers got out of that deal was someone at 2A or 3A then they loose and given the level that Teagarden could reach they loose even if Buchholz pans out and he hasn’t yet.

This is not the time to trade for prospects. Maybe if the Ranger’s fall out of the race
then they do that deal in September but not now.

Before I even listen to an offer for V&T at this point it better have Buchholz AND one of Ramon Ramirez, Daniel Bard or Hideki Okajima maybe a lower level prospect.

The Sox need a short stop, they have an aging catcher with no good options after Varitech and the Rangers don’t need a prospect. If the Rangers give the Sox two starting players, one with a very high ceiling and already in the majors then I want at least one quality reliever, Buchholz and a lower prospect or project.

By: JustSaying

JustSaying — Tue, 02 Jun 2009 04:47:47 +0000

@evan Have you heard any bullpen arms mentioned? or we stuck on the bullpen or might we get a frontline starter?

By: scooper

scooper — Tue, 02 Jun 2009 02:32:32 +0000

@JackDaddy and evan: thank you! you explained it better than I did.

By: morgan

morgan — Tue, 02 Jun 2009 01:40:09 +0000

as weird as this may sound, I don’t know if we need to trade two of our best depth players for another pitching prospect since we’re loaded with them. just a thought.

By: Jon

Jon — Mon, 01 Jun 2009 19:45:45 +0000

“I don’t think the Rangers are motivated to move Vizquel unless they get somebody to overpay for him. Right now, he’s a backup on a first-place club. Rangers won’t diminish their depth simply to trade him for a fringe prospect. Get the Red Sox to ante up a big-timer and maybe the situation changes.”

Evan,

dare I say Vizquel and Teagarden for Buchholz?

By: Jed E.

Jed E. — Mon, 01 Jun 2009 15:42:15 +0000

I understand the logic Evan, it just seems as if the closer’s mindset is different when the game is not on the line. Maybe I’ll just chalk it up to the fact that Adam Kennedy is batting about .400 at the BallPark.

By: Tom B

Tom B — Mon, 01 Jun 2009 14:53:18 +0000

BTW, Justin Smoak’s high school classmate just made his debut with Baltimore this weekend. Matt Wieders got a double and a triple. Justin has to be smoking, about now, about that.

By: Tom B

Tom B — Mon, 01 Jun 2009 14:51:02 +0000

The mental makeup of a “Lights out” closer is to save a game not to protect a tie. There has to be meat on the hook to get that dog to bite. Barkers need not apply. Go with O’Day and he can give you two or more innings. Oakland is short on relievers and they will screw up before your system if you don’t panic and throw out your best with nothing for him to gain. Torre did great in New York those last few years. They won about as many World Serrie as did the Rangers. If your dog goes mad then bring in CJ.