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In Blog Eat Blog World, Lone Star Ball Dogs Inside Corner After Inside Corner Dogs Rob Neyer

In regards to the very animated conversation about Kevin Millwood’s success this season, Adam Morris takes me to task on Lonestarball with lots of thoughtful reasoning. And then the discussion spills over to Facebook. Bottom line: I’m sticking by my thinking that Millwood’s numbers this year have improved significantly because he is in better shape and because he’s got a better group of fielders behind him. Richard Durrett also weighs in at the DMN’s baseball blog.

The argument about how low his strand rate in 2007 could be turned on its head. You could also argue that his strand rate that year would have been significantly higher – thus bringing down his ERA – had he an adequate set fielders behind him.

Good stuff all around. Vigorous baseball conversation. Awe. Some.

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16 Comments to “In Blog Eat Blog World, Lone Star Ball Dogs Inside Corner After Inside Corner Dogs Rob Neyer”
  • Jack Daddy

    @Evan Grant- That’s what I do Evan, I stir the hornets nest!!

    I love modern media and what’s it become: a fan sitting in his study at home on a day off can see an interesting (and stupid) article, mention it to an over-assesable, excellent baseball beat writer/columnits and actually influence the media coverage.

    Only in America!!

  • Jack Daddy

    @Adam Morris – don’t take this the wrong way, because I love your sight and enjoy reading your insights and opinions. But you’re dead wrong buddy. Forget the strand rate. Watch the game tapes to see how many hard hit balls Milly has gotten away with on outs. It’s not happening.

    I’ll tell you what – I think we can all agree that Mike Maddow knows and understands great pitching when he sees it. Let’s let him answer this question. Milly is doing exactly what his multi cy young winning brother did for 20 years.

    Again, I like you brutha, but you’re getting twisted in what appears in the the box score and not the box hanging on your wall that shows the actual pitches (and I know you watch him, so I’m surprised by your insistence on this).

  • Jack Daddy

    i really can spell – I just don’t like proofing my own stuff (I do it all day long in my “real” job).

    I realize it’s “site” not “sight”. I may be dumb but I’m not stuppid. :)

  • Doug Fu

    “No pitcher is going to be able to strand baserunners at such a high rate over a significant period of time. And drilling down in the numbers a little further illustrates why that isn’t possible.”

    So, if half a season isn’t a significant period of time, what is?

  • Ehren

    It’s ESPN.They lost all credibility with me long ago.

  • Ehren

    @Evan: I’m on my way to the game but the pool isn’t open. Can you put me down for Davis, 6th, 1 on, 2-1 count, 405 ft. Hey Jack a small favor, could you enter my entry just in case Evan can’t check??? Puh-leaze!!!

  • Jack Daddy

    Ehren – If its up before I leave for dinner, I got you covered.

  • AJM

    Millwood is allowing opponents to hit line drives about 20% of the time — right around league average. So I don’t buy the “he’s not allowing hard hit balls” argument.

  • Fred

    Suggest Neyer and AJM (if he has access) ask Millwood’s team mates and opponents what they think of him this year, vs. the past. That should count just a bit, to. As my grand used to say: “figgers lie and liars figger”.

  • Jack Daddy

    Adam – but what’s to say those 20% aren’t the ballas that are resulting in hits (with noboday on base) and the balls in play that are outs are flies and pops and grounders? You can’t just look at the #s.

    And with respect to the strand rate – has somebody dug deeper to look at the tape or ask Milly if he pitching around people more with say 1B open, because he trusts his stuff more? In other words, maybe he’s putting on a few more people (unitentional, intentional walks) which is resulting in more LOB. Or perhaps his stamina is allowing him to FINISH frames, such that a reliever isn’t allowing inherited runners to score (like in 07) but instead Milly is getting them out.

    My only point is that numbers can clue you into a situation that might need examining closer. But when you watch Millwood pitch this year, I can CLEARLY see that he isn’t benefiting from luck (lines drives being hit at people, incredible plays, etc.). I see a bunch of very routine, softl hit balls and I see him pitching to the occasion (bearing down when bearing down is needed).

    That’s all.

    In any event, LOVE the baseball talk as all of my friends are idiots.

  • David in Cleburne

    Jack Daddy said this in a different way. I’ll quote Randy Galloway: “Watch the damned game!” Your eyes will tell you what stats won’t.

    And to paraphrase Mark Friedman, former producer of the Norm Hitzges show on the Ticket, now with ESPN radio: “I don’t trust stats after listening to Norm all these years. You can make them dance.”

    Stats have their place. But numbers in sports certainly don’t tell the whole story. If they did, Danny White would be in the Cowboys Ring of Honor. Annnnd, how many Super Bowls did he win while piling up all those amazing stats?

  • NCR

    Typically respect the stats guys. Brings more fans and interest to the game. But they can’t, or seem unwilling, to acknowledge anything that can’t be explained within their myopic little paradigms.

    I’m guessing that because most of them have never played at a high level they can’t, or again are unwilling to, accept that factors such as emotion, adrenaline, momentum, plus the players ability to adjust contribute to results, both positive and negative.

    Example;
    “stranding runners is outside of Millwoods control”

    The guy’s an attorney, he’s obviously pretty smart, but that quote is just obtuse.

  • Logo Guy

    Why all the stat bs? Millwood set the pace for the year on opening day and has been more consistent than any other starter. We are having the kind of year we were supposed to get
    NEXT YEAR…Tied for first two games till the
    All Star Break. What do you people want????
    You sound like sports writers!!!!

  • badspellr

    You know how getting a bunch of baseball fans together and bringing up Pete Rose or the DH rule used to be like playing with matches in a fireworks factory? Things have changed.

    Now all you have to do is express an unpopular opinion based on stats. Don’t forget to duck.

  • dfwsports

    I think the only difference between Millwood this year and years past is 1) The Rangers defense and 2) he’s healthy and in better shape. Those two things are more than enough to explain his improvement. Will his ERA rise in the second half? Undoubtedly, as the heat wears on him, the LOB% comes back to something approaching normal and Hank Blalock hangs out at at first base. But the overall improved D and the fact he’s healthy and can finish innings is enough to keep him a very good pitcher. I’m betting he finishes the year in the high 3.00s for ERA

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