Comments on: More About Last Night: Why Derek Holland Pitched And Why He Came Out When He Did

By: VegasbB

VegasbB — Thu, 09 Jul 2009 03:36:42 +0000

In my opinion it was time for him to come out. I could be wrong, (I was one time before), Holland seems to run out of gas, and hit the wall hard, with very little warning. As bad as it was, I was actually satisfied with the Nippert effort. Only 1 walk, beat my prediction by 5. My most surprising, and pleasing pitcher has been Mathis. I always thought Jennings would help, but no way with Mathis.

By: t ball

t ball — Thu, 09 Jul 2009 02:27:22 +0000

I assume then, that the laughter among the players and Wash when he was being taken out was from a comment from Wash along the lines of “nice bullpen session”.

By: Fred

Fred — Thu, 09 Jul 2009 01:21:17 +0000

Encouraged by what appears to be Holland’s learning curve over the past 2 appearances–where ever he’s pitching in a month, he’s a keeper!

By: TD

TD — Thu, 09 Jul 2009 00:54:15 +0000

I am confused…..it’s funny how the pitching rotation looks so neat and pretty in those baseball season previews, with the 5 names and the order…YEAH RIGHT!

Can’t say I agree or disagree with the way they are handling Holland, I am sure if you ask him he would rather be in the big leagues pitching in any role, so I am not worried about they messing him up mentally. All of this should help him, and let’s face it, he wasn’t exactly contending for the Cy Young while starting. Is he better than Nippert? I think so….give me a look at El Duque before Nippert, he wasn’t terrible last night, but I have seen pitchers make “90 pitches” last longer than that 3 2/3.

I forgot what I was saying…..anyways, yeah.

By: JustSaying

JustSaying — Wed, 08 Jul 2009 23:58:42 +0000

How in the hell did nippert jump over tommy hunter……..stupid is as stupid does…….

By: Rangerette

Rangerette — Wed, 08 Jul 2009 23:48:10 +0000

Nice Headline.

By: obagain

obagain — Wed, 08 Jul 2009 23:35:03 +0000

Why not just wait 1 more day and let him pitch long relief?
Since they concider that his side session will he be available tonight?
We pitched jennings, holland last night knowing we have a pitcher going tonight that has pushed himself back with soreness. that means we are painted into a corner with mathis as the only long reliever available tonight.
I hope padilla can go 7 or mathis can pitch 2-3 quality relief innings.
Or we can bring holland back into the game tonight, which the way they are treating him I would not doubt they will.

By: ebennett

ebennett — Wed, 08 Jul 2009 23:29:15 +0000

I hear you Evan but I really believe the Rangers have bungled Holland. He should never have been in the Big Leagues the first half of this season and maybe not at all. He should have been AAA learning his secondary pitches. They need to get him back there ASAP.

I like Hunter. He has four pitches and is learning to control them. He is a horse and very mature. He should be in the rotation.

On another note if McCarthy does recover before the season is over he needs to go to the bullpen. He seems pretty good over an inning or two and if the Rangers are to salvage anything from that awful trade it is probably with McCarthy in the bullpen.

By: Part Time Ranger Fan

Part Time Ranger Fan — Wed, 08 Jul 2009 23:08:42 +0000

One commenter made the following posts last night in reference to why Holland was pulled. He made the comments over and over because he was getting lambasted and called an idiot.

“I’m sure the only reason he took Holland out is because he was on a very strict pitch count.”

“I’m sure Wash just wanted him to get out of the 4th, but he did it so quick he left him for the 5th. He got through that so quick he left him for the 6th, but he wasn’t going to let him go more than 20 pitches.”

“Remember, he threw 28 warmup pitches (14 when he came in, 7 before the 5th inning, and 7 before the 6th inning) plus the warmup pitches he threw in the bullpen before he came in. That adds up to more than the 45 he would have thrown.”

“Again, I say he had thrown 19 or 20 pitches in the game. He had thrown 28 warmup pitches (14 when coming into the 4th, 7 before the 5th and 7 before the 6th) and another who knows how many (20?) in the bullpen. That’s 67 pitches on a day that he would normally throw 45.
You can’t assume that he would have a quick at bat. You have to have a plan when he comes into the game and the plan had to be “no more than 20 pitches”.”

Now who was that stupid commenter? Oh, yeah. It was me. I feel a little vindicated.

I also have a sore shoulder from patting myself on the back.

By: gordosan

gordosan — Wed, 08 Jul 2009 22:43:18 +0000

I think that is a very reasonable summary.