Winners/Losers: Rangers Trade Deadline Version

Various TV and internet talking heads have labeled the Rangers a “winner” (from former manager Buck Showalter) to a loser for their ultimate decision to stand pat at the trade deadline. Truth is: I think the Rangers would have been winners had they traded for Roy Halladay or stood pat. A package of Derek Holland, Justin Smoak and another player would have been a fair offer for Halladay. It would have dramatically increased the Rangers chances of winning this year and in 2010 and would have created some other challenges starting in 2011. It would have opened one window a little sooner, but threatened to close one a little sooner, too. Fine for everybody to have opinions on which they should have gone, but after a night to sleep on it, I think they’d have come out in good shape either way.

But that doesn’t mean there weren’t some winners and some losers associated with the club’s deadline talks. A look:

Winners

• Jon Daniels: GM was in a vice-like situation trying to improve the team despite financial concerns and his desire to hold on to top prospects. Was still aggressive, but ultimately didn’t determine there was an available pitcher out there for which it was worth a detour from the club’s road map for home-grown success. Rangers may not make playoffs in 2009, but are looking a lot like Dodgers in 2007 when they passed on Mark Teixeira to hold onto their top young talent. Dodgers went to NLCS last year and now have baseball’s best record.

• Lefties: It became clear that LHP Derek Holland 18-year-old LHP Martin Perez have zoomed to the very top of the club’s prospect list by the way the team made them off limits.

• Rangers pro scouting department: Unsung, under-the-radar group that made astute evaluations and got the Rangers Darren O’Day and Jason Grilli for the bullpen well before the deadline. Rendered acquiring relievers as uncessessary at deadline. And the go-big-or-not-at-all approach the Rangers ultimately came up with was right. No need to dip into the farm system unless a very good club could have improved significantly with a trade.

Losers

• Neftali Feliz: The No. 13 prospect in all of baseball, according to Baseball America, and he couldn’t headline a deal for either Halladay or Cliff Lee? Moving him to the bullpen did not help his trade value.

• J.P. Ricciardi: Couldn’t give Rangers a straight answer on whether Roy Halladay would accept a deal to Texas or not until after the clubs had wasted a full day of hard negotiations. Just another example of how badly he bungled the Halladay talks. Won’t be surprising if the next guy to take a shot at dealing Halladay is not J.P. Ricciardi.

• Rangers minor league system: The Rangers had the No. 1 ranked system in all of baseball going into the year, yet one of the Rangers trade targets (Ryan Garko) was dealt for a Class A pitcher to San Francisco. Lee went to Philadelphia for second-tier prospects, Jarrod Washburn to Detroit for middle-of-the-road prospect with dash of major league experience and a young prospect. Couldn’t club have pulled off one of those deals without including any of its top four or five prospects? You would think with a deep, deep system, you would be able to. Maybe Rangers have a higher opinion of their prospects than rest of baseball. Only time will tell who is right.


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19 Comments to “Winners/Losers: Rangers Trade Deadline Version”
  • Daniel Scott

    I think the last part is the one that is wrong. From what I have seen over the years, teams with the best farm systems are the ones that others teams will hold hostage the most. They will only take a top player from a good farm system, but are more willing to deal with another. I know it makes no sense, but for some reason that is the way it works.

    Such that remember how the Rangers when trading Tex wanted Kershaw and other top prospects from the Dodgers, but “settled” for lower prospects from Atlanta. At the time Feliz and the others were not necessarily in the top 5.

  • Trav

    I agree, I think we should have bought somebody in here. Wheteher it was an extra back end starter or maybe even an extra bat.

  • Trav

    Evan, what do you think we will do in August? Will we sign somebody if they go through waivers? Who would we be looking at?

  • rob m

    “A package of Derek Holland, Justin Smoak and another player would have been a fair offer for Halladay.”

    No way. How many top prospects were even traded at the deadline? I understand Roy is the top pitcher in the AL, but he is not worth two top prospects.

    I also think part of the problem is that the Rangers’ system is thin in the middle. There at not too many legit prospects in AA or even AAA.

  • Pulp Reality

    @D Scott
    Totally agree with your assessment. As Evan alluded to a few days ago: it’s not good enough for a team to just rape you, now they want to add a “donkey punch” as well..

  • Mack Brownee

    Feliz is going to be a beast; no way I would have traded him…I think the rangers made themselves winners in the long-run; short-term has yet to be determined

  • Evan Grant

    @Pulp reality: Not sure those were my exact words a few days ago, but what I’m not sure is if other teams were holding too tightly to demands for high prospects or if the Rangers simply have a too-high opinion of their lower prospects.

  • Mike E

    Have to say I think Daniels is actually a loser here, not even taking into account Halladay. To me it seems his inability to add any pieces, despite having an overabundance of talent to deal, while numerous other trades were made for lesser prospects somewhat exposes his negotiation skills when he doesn’t have the other team over a barrel.

  • Joey

    Evan,
    Ever considered actually proof-reading your column, or maybe hiring someone to edit it for you? Geez, this was incredibly difficult to read.

    On to my point. Aside from the many errors within the colum, I think you completely contradicted yourself. You claim that Daniels is a winner for holding on to his young talent, but the Rangers minor league system is a loser?? How can Daniels be a winner, but yet you still criticize him for failing to move any prospects for players such as Washburn or Garko? Am I the only one confused by your reasoning?

  • Ed Looney

    ??? Didn’t add any pieces?

    Do those pieces have to be added on July 31st to qualify?

    How about O’Day & Grilli? How about holding onto Jason Jennings even though a lot of people considered him a massive bust – where would our bullpen be without him?

    How about adding Omar Vizquel?

    I don’t think it’s all about the “Trade Deadline”, but how your club builds itself (both working with the guys they have and adding “pieces”) as the year goes on. In my opinion, NOT trading Derek Holland and Neftali Feliz and Justin Smoak made us a better team… only Halliday would have been worth even one of them and Holland may have a higher top end than even the Ace of Roy.

    Right now, the Rangers have a bullpen that rates with the best in all of baseball – even considering they have a junkerballer in Guardado still on the roster. And, they’re about to bring up Feliz!

    Tommy Hunter has pitched as well as ANY YOUNG PITCHER IN THE GAME since he came up and Holland has the ability to headline our rotation for YEARS to come. Feldman has been our defacto “ace” all season; although, he did stumble a little his last time out and the prize (Harrison) of our cashing in on Atlanta’s system is out for the year – but should be ready to go in 2010. That’s FOUR rotation members under 25 just to start next year. Where do Padilla and Millwood fit? At best as #3s but more likely #4s – if they’re even on the team. Millwood should vest, but Padilla can be cut loose.

    If we had been doing the “Ranger” thing and bashing the ball all over the city of Arlington, we’d be 20 games ahead of the Angels right now.

    What more can Daniels do?

  • Mike E

    What more could Daniels have done? How about found a guy like Willingham to help us “bash the ball all over the city of Arlington”.

    The trade deadline is about evaluating where your team is at, what’s lacking and doing something about it, even if you’ve already done a few things early in the season.

  • Jon

    “A package of Derek Holland, Justin Smoak and another player would have been a fair offer for Halladay.”

    Fair? Fair? Long-term ace pitscher and potential All Star 1B both under years of control for a rental and couple of draft choices? No! No! No!

  • Evan Grant

    @Jon: Let me say this: Derek Holland may be very, very, very good, but you can’t ever project a pitcher is going to be as good as Halladay. Halladay has done it in the big leagues. My guess: Halladay’s 2010 season in Texas would have been better than anything any pitching prospect the Rangers would have sent Toronto would have put up there. You can not predict 20-win seasons.

    And Smoak? Yeah, he may be a special hitter, but what’s to say the draft picks the Rangers would get if Halladay doesn’t re-sign in Texas wouldn’t include a hitter of that quality.

    Halladay would have made the Rangers significantly better this year and next. Holland and Smoak might have made the Blue Jays better, but there is nothing close to a guarantee.

    Fair trades are painful to both sides. But believe me when I say that even though I’ve got no issues with a deal not getting done, the talent exchange would have been equitable.

  • Evan Grant

    @Joey: On calling the minor league system a “loser” in the deadline sweepstakes, it has nothing to do with Daniels not being able to move other pieces. It has to do with other teams simply not valuing the Rangers pieces as highly as they do. No issues with the Rangers making the pieces they did “untouchable,” but I don’t know why the other pieces weren’t enough to close the deals that other teams made. It’s more a talent question than anything else.

  • Bobby in Bryan

    I’m confused as to when Halliday told the Blue Jays that he did not want to come to Texas. Wasn’t the rational thing to tell the clubs that a couple of weeks ago? Why did he let the two teams go through all this if he had no intention of accepting a trade to the Rangers anyway?

  • Evan

    Evan, this was not extremely difficult to read, but the errors were a tiny bit of a distraction.

    Joey, take a pill.

  • Chad

    @Evan (not EG) and Joey, I agree with you, Evan, that some minor grammatical errors made me read some things twice. However, Joey, I think this does not warrant a “Geez” reaction based on three factors:

    1) This is a blog, not a newspaper article or syndicated column. Readability is nice in a blog and 99.8% of the time Inside Corner is light years ahead of most other blogs you might stumble upon.

    2) Seeing how this is a blog, I find that the information relayed is a bit more important than how it is relayed. EG has done a stellar job at providing a voice from inside the front office and locker room as well as offering well-informed and astute observations since the beginning of the season. I’d much rather read EG, AJM, Newberg, Perryman, et al. than any of Galloway, JJT, Cowlishaw, and the rest of their ilk simply because the former care enough to put the time into their craft/reporting; their efforts show on every post.

    3) Considering the frenzied pace of the trading deadline and how much information EG and InsideCorner have had to sift through and weigh before publishing online (both the rumors leading up to and the fall out from the deadline passing) I think right now EG deserves a little slack if he uses/misuses a word here or there since he and the whole team have probably been just as busy as the Rangers front office for the past couple weeks.

    @Evan (Grant), keep bringing the excellence brother.

  • rangerfan1974

    Evan, speaking of the farm, a couple of questions:
    1. Will we see Feliz this year. Is he doing as well as the Rangers expect?
    2. How much longer can we carry Andrew Jones with Ham and Kins struggling. Don’t the Rangers have to see if C. Davis has really figured out or if Barbon could truly add to the mixture with speed and defense.

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