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flyingfish36:30: The home run pool is open for your predicting pleasure.

7:07: There have been no decisions made on when Kevin Millwood will pitch again, but manager Ron Washington seems to be pretty steadfast that Millwood will, indeed, make another start for the Rangers.

7:13: The Rangers have released their Fall Instructional League roster. Perhaps the most significant names on the list are  a pair of 16-year-old infielders, Jurickson Profar and Luis Sardinas. The duo, who each received $1.5 million signing bonuses, were the top amateur free agents the Rangers signed this summer. RHPs Michael Main (first round, 2007), Neil Ramirez (supplemental first round, 2007) and LHP Martin Perez (the club’s No. 1 pitching prospect) will all participate.

7:35: Just in case you are wondering on my take on Kevin Millwood, it’s this: I’d start him on Sunday. If there were clear cut choices to move into that spot, I’d have no problem pushing Millwood back. RHP Brandon McCarthy, who will probably pitch Sunday, has  a nice record (7-2), but its not like he has dominated when healthy this year. He’s made two starts since coming back from the DL. He was sharp against Toronto, but allowed Cleveland five runs in 6.1 innings. The other option is LHP Derek Holland and he simply hasn’t been very good since the start of August.

Millwood was a huge part of the Rangers’ early-season success and was the model for the ohter pitchers to follow at the start of this season. That’s a good engouh tiebreaker for me to give him a shot. But it should also be mentioned he has playoff race experience.

7:59: Omar Vizquel has handled his only chance in this game cleanly (well, he bobbled it, but did recover in time to throw the runner out). Vizquel, who has started at second, short and third this season, has 188 chances without an error. Only four players – OF Darryl Hamilton (389, 1996), 1B David Segui (323, 2000), C Bill Haselman (247, 2001) and 1B-OF Frank Catalanotto (200,2007) – have had at least 200 chances in a season with no errors in Rangers history. With the exception of Hamilton, who played center, none of them played “premium” defensive positions.

8:42: You know things are going really bad for the offense when Julio Borbon hits into a double play, but that’s what he did to end the sixth. It’s the first time he’s into a double play in 90 major league at-bats.

9:30: Rangers have not been shutout in back-to-back games since August 14-15, 2008 when they lost the final game of a three-game sweep at Boston and then lost the first game of a homestand to Tampa Bay. The Rangers were shutout six times last year; four of them came in an eight-day period from August 7-15. That week dashed any hope of a miraculous playoff run. Could the same thing be happening now?

9:41: Here is what makes this game particularly difficult to swallow if you are a Rangers fan. It is not like the weakened offense is facing a Cy Young candidate. RHP Brett Tomko, who has allowed four hits on 98 pitches in eight innings, is on the verge of a complete game shutout. How rare is that for Tomko, the ultimate in a “journeyman?” Well, he hasn’t had a complete game since 2005 and has exactly one shutout in his career of 266 starts. He has the second most starts in history to have no more than one shutout. Kirk Reuter had one in 336 starts from 1993-2005.

9:57: And that’s a wrap. Question to discuss while we construct the Post Game Show: Is this the most disheartening Rangers’ loss of the year? Perhaps a better question might be: Is anything else even close?

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146 Comments to “The Depot: Rangers-A’s Live Game Blog, News, Notes and Complimentary Rain Slickers”
  • Ranger_ve

    Let’s win one tonight. Go Rangers.

  • Callie

    Nice top half of the inning – would like to get going fast in the bottom half!

  • Ranger_ve

    LAA 1 NYY 1 bottom of the fourth.

  • Evan Grant

    @Ranger_ve: Are you in Venezuela or just from Venezuela?

  • Ranger_ve

    @Evan Grant: From Venezuela. Moved here in 95. Grew up wathcing Vizquel and Guillen.

  • Tom B

    I knew the International market would come around.

  • AJM

    Hey Evan — Any thoughts on Gammons’ suggestion today that Milton Bradley ends up back with Texas, with the Cubs picking up a big chunk of his remaining deal?

  • Ranger_ve

    LAA 2 NYY 1 Bottom of the fifth.

  • Tom B

    I would figure this is like a bad hangover for the Rangers after yesterday.

  • becca

    @tom b: that’s what it feels like exactly.

  • Tom B

    @AJM, talk about something that can make two teams suffer.

  • Jack Daddy

    Why not trade millwood and max to chi for bradley, with them picking up most of 2011 $$?

    Bradley is owed $21 amd millwood $12

  • Tom B

    @becca, But you worked yesterday. That’s the safe bet with all that happened.

  • becca

    @evan: i don’t understand all the fall and instructional league ball and what not, but what do kids like rueben jr. do? he’s 16ish, right? does he play back in the dominican or somehow with the rangers? sorry if i sound ignorant.

  • Tom B

    I would love to see Millwood in Wrigley with a Bear Cub on his uni. It just seems like poetic justice.

  • Evan Grant

    7:35: Just in case you are wondering on my take on Kevin Millwood, it’s this: I’d start him on Sunday. If there were clear cut choices to move into that spot, I’d have no problem pushing Millwood back. RHP Brandon McCarthy, who will probably pitch Sunday, has a nice record (7-2), but its not like he has dominated when healthy this year. He’s made two starts since coming back from the DL. He was sharp against Toronto, but allowed Cleveland five runs in 6.1 innings. The other option is LHP Derek Holland and he simply hasn’t been very good since the start of August.

    Millwood was a huge part of the Rangers’ early-season success and was the model for the ohter pitchers to follow at the start of this season. That’s a good engouh tiebreaker for me to give him a shot. But it should also be mentioned he has playoff race experience.

  • Keith M

    Josh Lewin must be doing the SD Charger games again this year. (He’s not on.) Why the Rangers don’t make him wait until season end to start doing that, I don’t understand.

  • Tom B

    So does A. Jones have Play-Off experience. Bad reason to start Millie.

  • becca

    and davis saves another error. it’s good to have him bakc.

  • Ranger_ve

    @Evan Grant: Would you put Millwood on a set pitch count (maybe 70 pitches) a la chamberlain in New York?

  • becca

    i like the idea that someone had of the run count for millwood. says ‘hey, we trust you, but only this much’

  • Ranger_ve

    LAA 2 NYY 3. NYY got two on a two run triple from Texeira.

  • Evan Grant

    @Ranger_ve: I certainly would have a quick trigger with Millwood. First real sign of trouble, I’d be more willing to yank him than to give him a chance to pitch through. But a set pitch count doesn’t have the same impact it does with Chamberlain. The Yankees are trying to save Chamberlain long-term; the Rangers are trying to get everything they can out of Millwood. Different situations.

    @Keith M: Josh Lewin is doing the Chargers tonight. This coming weekend, he won’t be in the booth for two of the Rangers three games with Los Angeles due to Chargers commitments.

    @Tom B: But the Rangers have measurably better outfield/DH options than Andruw Jones. Do you feel right now that McCarthy and Holland are measurably better options to win games?

  • Ranger_ve

    @Evan Grant: Short leash it is then.

  • dbs

    Evan: Any input on the attitude in the clubhouse. If the Rangers fall back any farther do we need to fear a Rays like collapse? Although it may not get them to the playoffs a 90 win season would be great.

  • Ranger_ve

    Come on Elvis you have to make a bigger deal out of that.

  • Keith M

    Evan, thanks for the reply. In past years when Josh did the Charger games, his absence did not bother me that much. But this year–in the middle of a pennant race–it bothers me a lot.

  • Evan Grant

    7:59: Omar Vizquel has handled his only chance in this game cleanly (well, he bobbled it, but did recover in time to throw the runner out). Vizquel, who has started at second, short and third this season, has 188 chances without an error. Only four players – OF Darryl Hamilton (389, 1996), 1B David Segui (323, 2000), C Bill Haselman (247, 2001) and 1B-OF Frank Catalanotto (200,2007) – have had at least 200 chances in a season with no errors in Rangers history. With the exception of Hamilton, who played center, none of them played “premium” defensive positions.

  • Evan Grant

    @dbs: Don’t think there is any concern about a Rays-like collapse. This week is significant, but I think you are looking at a team that is going to win between 85-95 games and anyway you analyze that, it’s significant progress of last year’s 79-win total.

  • Ranger_ve

    Omar Vizquel has been a transcendent defensive player. A lot great plays you see today were first done by him. i.e: bare hand catches ,360′s etc.

  • john in clearwater

    Wow. Slow night here on the Corner. Apologies for working. Evan – would love to know the A’s record over the last, say, 50 games or so. They had some problems earlier in the season, but they’ve been a pretty good team over the last several weeks.

  • becca

    not to mention, wasn’t the last time we played the A’s in oakland, they did a pretty good number on us. i think.

  • The Beer Guy

    We’re really up against the wall here. I’m pretty pessimistic, despite there being 20 games left (and 7 vs. LA) because:

    First, stop all this talk of “Well, if we go 20-0, and LA goes 10-10″ or other such extremes. It isn’t going to happen. Let’s be reasonable.

    A reasonable guess would be that we can go 5-2 vs. LA, which puts us 3 back (counting from right now). Another reasonable guess is that in the other remaining 13 games, LA goes 8-5. That would mean we’d have to go 11-2 to tie them, 12-1 to win the division.

    Let’s say they start struggling a bit (tough schedule) and LA instead goes 5-8 (personally I think that’s a stretch, and is as low as I will go being reasonable). Then we’d need to go 8-5 to tie, 9-4 to win the west.

    So, you see, even at the worst reasonable estimate of LA’s record, we cannot afford to lose more than 5 or 6 of the remaining 20 games. That’s a tall order, friends. Not impossible, but our line is getting very short.

  • Ranger_ve

    All right here we go.

  • Ryans Dad

    Evening all, let’s go Rangers!

  • JustSaying

    i wouldn’t put millwood on the mound against the angels…..that’s seems pretty stupid when he has a 6.56 era against them…..at least he has a 2.57 era against the a’s even though it was all accomplished before the break………..if you want to win i would put feliz on the mound and say show me what you’ve got……we all know what millwood has and it’s big fat grapefruits………..

  • Ranger_ve

    @The Beer Guy: I agree with you. But if this team cannot go 15 and 5 the rest of the way then they have no business being in he playoff, in short the ranger must earn their way.

  • Evan Grant

    @John: Oakland is 27-28 since the All-Star break, 20-20 since August 1. Thinking the perception of them as very good lately may be an optical illusion.

  • The Beer Guy

    Not just 15-5, it would be 20-7 counting a 5-2 tally vs. LA.

  • The Beer Guy

    AND keep in mind we’re 13-12 in our last 25, so this requires a pretty major turnaround. I’m not deliberately trying to be pessimistic, I’m just not sure we have much of a realistic chance left. We have a small realistic chance, but it’s just that: small.

  • Ranger_ve

    Man what a wasted opportunity. Shoul’ve bunted , steal or hit and run.

  • dbs

    I listen to the games on XM. Am wondering about the size of the crowd.

  • The Beer Guy

    The fact that we’re being 2-hit by Brett Tomko…well, that doesn’t bode well for this 20-7 run.

  • Evan Grant

    @dbs: Crowd is small. I’d venture in the 10,000 range of actual attendance. I’m expecting paid to be about 22,000 to 24,000.

  • The Beer Guy

    Woops, forget that 20-7 stuff. My math clearly sucks! :P 15-5 is right, as Ranger_ve said.

  • alan

    with all the talk on the brodcast about the quote future games coming up cna we please talk about winning tonight

  • S. Arcasm

    I agree with Evan that the mindset of letting pitchers work through jams just isn’t working with Millwood and Holland. Wash leaves them in until the game is out of reach and at this stage of the season that isn’t a smart thing to do. They can massage their egos in the offseason. If you do use Millwood then give him a 2 run leash, and once the second run crosses the plate yank him, although with this offense lately even that may be too long a leash. Just don’t stick with him until there are 5 runs on the board which unfortunately has been Wash’s plan lately.

  • alan

    you know what evan with this kind of performance by the offense does anybody blame the non diehard ranger fan for not coming out I am tired of seeing this happen this year getting playing down to the level of the competition I will say it again playoffteam are whipping the a’s right know and a pretender are well mailing it in and I am sorry to say I think we that is exactly what is going on

  • Jack Daddy

    dbs – its around 5-7, I’d say. An utter disgrace. Don’t come to with arguments about the economy either – there is at leas 10 k of no shows for sold tickets. The weather is perfect. I’m ashamed to be a rangers fan. There is no energy in this stupid open air stadium in the middle of freaking nowhere.

    the season has 12 outs left.

  • becca

    i was supposed to go to the game tonight but working late tonight and then all weekend and fighting a cold…i guess i’m not as diehard as i should be. plan on getting out there this weekend though

  • becca

    sorry jackdaddy. i made you ashamed.

  • Ryans Dad

    The loss of MY and Hammy destroyed this teams chances. They just don’t have the guns to win the fight right now and that’s a shame.

  • becca

    but to be fair, i still think the rangers have a chance. i believe!

  • alan

    and here we go with the abligotory tom grieve well if scott had of done this and done that okay how about next inning we hear some ripping of the hitting from this team and how it is letting them down and not playing up to the level they should be but will we hear that no of course not it will be tomko is the greatest pitcher since cy young and a pitcher who got released by the royals who is dominating us and that is pathetic that is what we should hear

  • The Beer Guy

    They did pretty well for a few games without MY (did fine without Josh in comparison).

    Honestly, I feel as though the awful weekend did something. Coming off a great sweep in Cleveland, Thursday was off, then Friday rained out. Saturday was rain-impacted, then the wait on Sunday to finally split the DH. Maybe it’s just me, but I felt some wind taken out of the sails since all that. I just feel less excitement and energy…maybe the players too?

  • dbs

    I just can’t fathom less than 10,000 would go to see Feldman pitch tonight, this inning aside. Playoffs are a real longshot but can’t rule them out.

  • AC in Coppell

    Can somebody tell me why the season is ending tonight? I bought tickets for the “playoffs”!!!!!

  • Ryans Dad

    I’ll be honest with you, I’m freakin sick of watching pop flies. It’s just like watching static on TV, the picture never changes.

  • alan

    sorry guys about being so negative I am just really need to vent and I hate seeing a good oppurtunity go to waste and that what I feel is happening

  • AC in Coppell

    The Rangers need a new GM. The new GM should be George W. Bush.

  • Ryans Dad

    Oh yeah, except when there’s a runner on first, then they have no problem hitting the ball on the ground.

  • The Beer Guy

    @Evan: Where’s MJH? Does he not write for Inside Corner anymore?

  • JustSaying

    What the millwood situation painfully points out is that this front office has been historically pretty bad when it comes to evaluating pitching……..and yes it must be mentioned what our #1 and #2 have done since august

    #2 padilla 22 1/3 innings 5 er 3-0 with his team WINNING all 4 starts

    #1 millwood 37 2/3 innings 25 er 1-3 with his team LOSING 6 of his 7 starts

    Now tell me please how we can pay a handler to watch over a drug addict and we can’t find the resources to do what the dodgers and joe torre are doing to get results out of padilla??? c’mon nolan you know everything about pitching and you sure as hell beaned a few in your day? doesn’t speak your language? not your favorite country of origin? think i’m being too harsh on you? a bankrupt company standing up for what’s right….hurumph….hurumph….

    My friends it is the difference bewteen being a loser and a winner and being willing to do what it takes to win…….and the rangers ownership and management don’t have it this year and that’s that……….

  • Callie

    This is not about the front office. This is a young team trying to learn how to handle being under the microscope and the pressure of winning. Add to that Texas heat, doubleheaders, and injuries, and it’s just not working out. I, for one, am proud of what this team has accomplished.

  • dbs

    I get it that it really sucks that the playoffs are slipping away but the Angels and Red Sox have the second and third best records in the MLB respectively. Hard to fault the Rangers for not catching them. I am still psyched to have somewhat meaningful games in mid September.

  • Ranger_ve

    LAA 3 NYY 3 bottom of the eight.

  • Evan Grant

    @The Beer Guy: MJH has been inundated with work at his day job and asked for a little time off at the beginning of August. Given that this is a hobby for anybody but myself, I certainly couldn’t deny him that. We kind of agreed that he would take the rest of the minor league season off and we’d re-evaluate after that. I’ll revisit with Mike after the regular season.

  • becca

    callie said it better than i could. first of all, the season’s not over. second, what the young kids have acomplished development-wise was pretty unexpected. and exciting. i’m not just going to tote the ‘just wait until next year’ because this is still exciting baseball.

  • stephen r

    Pretty rough game for Pudge. Error, GIDP, and failed to even try to block the plate on a questionable play earlier in the game.

    And I really hope we don’t bring in Grille with runners on base. Feldman is our best chance to get a GIDP here.

  • The Beer Guy

    Thanks, Evan!

  • becca

    just saw zac’s blurb at the top. patrick swayze is really dead? this is sad in so many growing up fanatsy ways.

  • Texas_Rocks

    Any so called “baseball fan” that questions the job that Ron Washington and JD have done with the hand that they’ve been dealt (NO MONEY) and with the players they have (Young players = inexperience = inconstant play = some bad mistakes) needs to turn in their baseball watching privileges and focus on football where every game matters instead of the entire season as a whole. You Gallaway Wanna-be “Over-reacters” are what continue to make Ranger Fans look like fools. The Rangers have overachieved without solid contributions from their supposed No. 3 hitter, with a falling Ace, and an injured Team Leader. I’m extremely proud of the way the Rangers play with heart and hustle and even if they don’t make the playoffs, JD should win Executive of the Year and RW Manager of the Year for what they’ve been able to accomplish with the players they inhereted.

  • Jeff Miller

    Teixeira ground rule 2b in the bottom of the eighth off Weaver has given Yankees 4-3 lead.

  • big bob

    anybody have a link to Kennedy charging the mound on feldman a few yrs. ago?

  • Ranger_ve

    Unbelivable how feldman lost it after 80 pitches.

  • Jeff Miller

    Sorry, no Yankee lead. thought on the MLB.com graphic there was already a runner on second.

  • Jack Daddy

    Second to what callie and becca said – I hope nobody is discouraged by this season. Its been unbelievable.

    I’m hearing people (including those with me) at game griping about this is pathetic letting the As do this. Really? They are a major league team. I don’t understand some people. No wonder the baseball gods despise us. We’ll never win and we probably don’t deserve to.

    There is no reason to take 5.5 great months and just chunk it away.

    Done venting. Sorry. Back to our regular programming.

  • Jeff Miller

    Weaver walked A-Rod to make it first and second with one out. He’s out, and Darren Oliver is in.

  • dbs

    Why not Happy Hour? Can’t fall any farther behind.

  • Ryans Dad

    I don’t know what to say really. Three minutes till the biggest battle of our professional lives. It all comes down to today. Now either we heal as a team, or we’re gonna crumble. Inch by inch, play by play, till we’re finished. We’re in hell right now, gentlemen. Believe me. And we can stay here, get the s### kicked out of us, or we can fight our way back into the light. We can climb out of hell. One inch at a time.

  • Jo

    Rangers are sucking big time… I have two tickets for the saturday game, and I don’t want to go anymore. Let me know if you want the tickets.

  • Ryans Dad

    I’d take em for the Ingram concert.

  • Jo

    NOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO! WHY GRILLI?? WHY DO YOU HATES US???????

  • Callie

    I’d take em but I’m in DC. Nationals anyone?

  • Jeff Miller

    Yankees go ahead when Brett Gardner steals third and Mike Napoli E2 on the throw.

  • Jeff Miller

    Cano RBI single makes it 5-3 Yankees.

  • john in clearwater

    Well, poop. I leave for a little bit and now we’re down 7-0. Yuck.

  • JustSaying

    @ texas rocks suck down that kool aid cause it’s coming like a fire hose

    hey sports fans let’s look at the results before and after the dfa’ing of vicente……

    Before 59-47 .557

    After 21-16 .568

    And i’m sure that .011 improvement is all because everyone “feels better” without vicente in the dugout…….

    i guess if the reason you play baseball is to feel self-righteous i guess then i guess the rangers are world series champions……

    the object of the game is to win period so figure out how to get the most from “everybody” not just the players with kneepads and kool-aid on their lips……..

  • Ryans Dad

    I do believe the grieving process has started here at the corner.

  • Callie

    @Just Saying – you do know that you can make your exact argument the other way, right? As in, the record improved .011 after – things didn’t fall apart because super-awesome Padilla left. I’d say at best he was not impactful, so why not send his negative “feeling” away?

  • Bob Brower

    I really dislike Jack Daddy, but he’s right about that ballpark. Too hot and in the middle of nowhere

  • dbs

    Unless Padilla was going to start in place of Holland or Millwood he would not have significantly impacted the Rangers record. Hunter, Feldman, Nippert and McCarthy have done fine since Padilla left. The lack of any contribution from Holland and Millwood recently has made it impossible for the Rangers to go on any type of winning streak.

  • Bob Brower

    @dbs: and the injuries to Ham and Young

  • Ryans Dad

    I haven’t heard from Evan in a while, I hope he hasn’t done anything “drastic”.

  • Jeff Miller

    Angels lose.

  • Ranger_ve

    LAA 3 NYY 5 Final. Mariano gets the save.

  • JustSaying

    i like feldman even more now after those two hit batsmen…..did nolan call that from the stands? or did feldman find an old pitching plan that vicente left behind?

    were the fans booing elvis for that double play? wow now that shows some class……

  • dbs

    @Ryans Dad – I think Evan is working hard to find the other two of the “three up” Andrus’ hit streak merits an “up”

  • Evan Grant

    @AJM: Sorry, I missed your post earlier. But I don’t see the Rangers bringing Bradley back. Let me put it this way: They bring Bradley back and let Byrd go, then all that stuff they threw out their about integrity and being a good teammate and all that (at the time of the Vicente Padilla release) is worthless.

  • Evan Grant

    @DBs, @Ryans Dad: Snuck in the back to watch the end of Bills-Pats and to take mind off how disheartening this game must be for Rangers fans.

  • Callie

    @ Evan – I was shocked at how well the Bills actually did against the Pats. Moss helped my fantasy team though!

  • Tom B

    Get a good nights sleep and tomorrow is a brand new day. ‘Boom, Boom, Boom, Boom, Another one bites the dust….”

  • Ryans Dad

    The weather, the losing, the return of the Cowboys. It’s kind of been a microcosm of the Rangers existence.

  • dbs

    I guess it could be worse, we could be Bills fans.
    I know it doesn’t matter if the Rangers don’t score but why not Feliz instead of Grilli?

  • JustSaying

    @callie that misses the point…..which was this front office can’t evaluate and motivate pitching very well as displayed with what vicente has done with the dodgers which is WIN ALL FIVE OF HIS STARTS…..but under “our management” he’s a chump…….we have a special front office talent that turns pitchers into chumps….that seems to be a constant theme of this ownership/management team………don’t make me list them……….

  • Ryans Dad

    So, this team hasn’t scored a run in how many innings now?

  • Ranger_ve

    I got a flask

  • Ryans Dad

    17 scoreless innings for this offense by count.

  • Ranger_ve

    Well I’m going to the game tomorrow to sit with Norm at the wedge. Any advise?

  • Callie

    @JS – I don’t think that is a fair assessment. Baseball history is full of players that move teams and instantly improve, not to mention the obvious AL to NL inherent improvements. I’m not defending the front office for all moves – let’s face it there have been some bad ones – but I don’t agree that Padilla is a good example. If Maddux can’t motivate Padilla pitching well, it’s on Padilla not the team.

  • Ryans Dad

    14 Runs scored by the opponent in that same time frame.

  • Evan Grant

    9:30: Rangers have not been shutout in back-to-back games since August 14-15, 2008 when they lost the final game of a three-game sweep at Boston and then lost the first game of a homestand to Tampa Bay. The Rangers were shutout six times last year; four of them came in an eight-day period from August 7-15. That week dashed any hope of a miraculous playoff run. Could the same thing be happening now?

  • Callie

    @ JS – but I do agree that the Dodgers and more specifically Torre have done an excellent job at taking “outsiders” and making them better again. See also: Manny Ramirez

  • Win's Dad

    My reaction to this game was to open a Greg Norman Cabernet Merlot. Drowning my sorrows. Such a magnificent season, but the team looks dead in the water since leaving Cleveland. Surely the rain and Kinsler’s comments last Friday didn’t sink this ship, but it feels that way.

  • Evan Grant

    @JS, @Callie: In regards to Padilla, perhaps he saw money burning up when he was released by the Rangers. Money motivates the guy. Perhaps it did. He can hold it together for a month and maybe parlay it into a multi-year deal.

    But I’ll be willing to bet that wherever he ends up, unless it is a one-year deal, he’ll wear out his welcome, too. He did it in Arizona, Philadelphia and Texas.

    So that’s not just the Rangers passing on that talent.

  • JustSaying

    @dbs holland would have been in the bullpen and we’d then have had a fighting chance in those games……..

    it is utterly bizarre to me that a player that is paid 200k and up can complain about another player with a straight face……be a professional……do your job…….with the economy where it is and ownership where it is how can a player even think about complaining about their teammate that gives them a better chance to win……….geez grow up………….

  • Wego

    @Win’s Dad (or someone who knows): what were Ian’s comments?

  • JustSaying

    @evan basebal is not a beauty contest and neither is sports writing………just ask randy galloway………

  • alan in SA

    @all….I cannot believe that ANYONE who is a Rangers fan could chastise the club for getting rid of the cancer, Padilla-=–Evan is right..he’ll wear his welcome out and be lucky if a teammate doesn’t whip his ass in the meantime

  • Kyle

    insert fork here…prepare for this team to actually not improve in the offseason, despite its youth, as their complete farce of an owner continues to dump salary..IQ and financial health are finally starting to balance for the Hicks family

  • Ryans Dad

    @Kyle. I’m cool with this team standing pat in the offseason. I think they will improve by default (the talent is here). What I fear, and I really fear this, is that the offseason will result in a fire sale of the veterans like Michael Young.

  • Evan Grant

    9:41: Here is what makes this game particularly difficult to swallow if you are a Rangers fan. It is not like the weakened offense is facing a Cy Young candidate. RHP Brett Tomko, who has allowed four hits on 98 pitches in eight innings, is on the verge of a complete game shutout. How rare is that for Tomko, the ultimate in a “journeyman?” Well, he hasn’t had a complete game since 2005 and has exactly one shutout in his career of 266 starts. He has the second most starts in history to have no more than one shutout. Kirk Reuter had one in 336 starts from 1993-2005.

  • JustSaying

    a’s telecast keeps zooming in on a couple of tanning salon beauties behind home plate…….

    @alan it does appear the cancer was removed and the patient died from the treatment…..i would have preferred radiation therapy on vicente…….

  • Kyle

    “Well I’m going to the game tomorrow to sit with Norm at the wedge. Any advise?”

    wear a gas mask and ear plugs and you’ll be fine

  • Kyle

    Ryans Dad–standing pat will be a best case scenario—I think you can give the “bird flap” goodbye to Byrd…

  • M. Rhyner

    This. Team. SUX!

  • Wego

    standing pat will result in similar season results– too many whiffs in this lineup. they have to, at a minimum, address the catching situation

  • Kyle

    Evan—as a fan since this team’s inception–I challenge you to find me 15 losses in the club’s history more devastating that tonight’s loss given the circumstance

  • Lamar in PA

    Maybe it’s just me, but all the thinking about Hicks’ finanaces collapsing and fire sales and baseball taking over and all that sound a lot like urban legends and wishful thinking on the part of people who root harder for Hicks to fail than the Rangers to win. If MLB really was either calling the shots or in a position to do so shortly, is there any chance that Bud “The Sky is Falling” Selig would keep that a secret? And why the big bonuses to International players? Why all the September call-ups (they’re not free, you know, and when MLB owned the Expos/Nationals, they didn’t call anyone up on more than one occassion)? Why did they try to trade for Halliday? Why did they trade for Pudge? It really doesn’t ad up. I know a lot of folks online will never be happy until Hicks is a homeless man muttering “Where you at, Chan Ho?!?” 24/7, but I don’t understand why we take it as a given that we’ll see anything other than the usual: no major signings and more dubious veterans than we wished coming to spring training on non-roster deals and then crowding out the kids.

  • JustSaying

    if there is no one there tonite it’s not going to get any better and every time mlb has to pitch in for payroll will mean less money to renew contracts…….i’d even bet that no free agent is allowed to be signed before new ownership is on board………can you hear the howling over the millwood $12 mil contract……every time jd looks up at the bosman committee they’ll howl “how much you paying millwood?” end of discussion……hurry up new owner make this management team go away……far far away…….

  • becca

    not so happy in ranger land tonight.

  • Evan Grant

    9:57: And that’s a wrap. Question to discuss while we construct the Post Game Show: Is this the most disheartening Rangers’ loss of the year? Perhaps a better question might be: Is anything else even close?

  • Kyle

    Lamar–I think it’s just you…Pudge doesn’t make squat–especially prorated to 2 months…yeah, i’ll admit it, I’m a little bitter–the POS lives in the most expensive piece of residential RE in DFW and he is playing the “poor me why won’t anyone come to the games” card to the public–I think he is a clueless db who couldn’t manage his way out of a brown paper bag

  • Mike E

    Hey Evan,
    What do you think about benching some of the regulars for tomorrow’s game? If that’s all they’re gonna give you, I’m sure some of the guys riding the bench would jump at an opportunity to prove themselves. Like Gentry and German. Even put Andruw in the lineup. He’s probably due for his one good game this month…

  • Win's Dad

    EVAN: I haven’t heard Ian’s comments in their entirety, so please feel free to correct any inaccuracies here. I did hear him say (and I agree) that the team missed Michael more than Hamilton. Basically, Hamilton hasn’t been there all season. While accurate in my opinion, it apparently wasn’t perceived as a positive statement about Hamilton. He also apparently said he didn’t expect much fan support for the Angels series. This is a nation of free speech, but I have to question the wisdom of complaining about the fans a week before a make or break series.

  • Jason O

    We all know that there are some serious holes in this lineup. Give JD a chance to address those issues in the offseason (aka give him some money) and hope that this team takes another significant step forward next year, and not a significant step backward, ala the Rays this year.

    There are 100 reasons to be positive and hopeful for next year…but until we lose those games to the Angels, I will refuse to give up on this tremendous season by my team.

    All we gotta do is have the Sox sweep the Halos, then beat them all 7 times too! Easy peazy….

  • alan in SA

    @just saying…I have no idea what your idea of “radiation” on Padilla would be..this club will wind up in at least as good a shape without him as it would have with him and it sent a message about attitude to younger players

  • Tom B

    It was a bad day at Black Rock but remermber, There are at least 10 AL teams that would love to have the Rangers record.
    It’s a loss, maybe the season, it has still been a great season. I wouldn’t critize any of these guys. Some days in games and life you get the crap beat out of you. The season is 162 games and only 4 teams in each league will make the play-offs. We are number 5 and we’re still better than the Central leader.

  • Win's Dad

    Agreed that this season is far from over Jason O, but I have to take issue with your comments on JD. This is his fourth edition of the Rangers. He’s had a lot of time to put together an offense. Money isn’t the problem fans are making it out to be. How much better off are the Angels with Kendry Morales over Mark Teixeira. Their salaries are miles apart, but their production is very similar. That leaves the Angels with a lot of money left over for other team needs.

  • Anne

    Seriously, Evan, there must be some question in the organization about lack of offense. I know the Rudy reputation is stellar, as far as management is concerned, but this year has been pathetic. Players have been sent down to Coonbaugh (sp?) and come back improved. I know that’s under the direction of Jaramillo, but actual improvement hasn’t occurred under Rudy’s direction. I’m not jumping on the “Fire Rudy!” bandwagon, but something needs to be done. I’m just curious about how front office is viewing Rudy’s future with the organization.

  • Jack Daddy

    come on Bob Brower – you hate me because I got in a tizz because you criticized Holland? If you follow this board, you know I have an irrational, unhealthy man-crush on Derek. Let’s play nice.

    Evan – not even a close second. The only 2 that come remotely close to mind? The As blowup in the 9th inning where we lost the 1 hitter and the game to open the Boston series the next wee (the VMart game). But they really aren’t close.

  • rob m

    I can’t really say that I am upset about them losing. I am disappointed but they were never in the game. There was no excitement at all in this game.

  • mr. clean

    We will get them tomorrow.

  • john in clearwater

    It ain’t over yet, but we’re running out of fingers to plug into the dike. Big improvement this year, but not quite enough pitching and not quite enough hitting overall to make it to the post season show. Still have my fingers crossed, though. We will need big improvement from Holland next year. He essentially skipped AAA, and I wonder if that hurt him. I think it did. Feliz got the time down there to work on things and I think it really helped him when he got to the show. He’s so young, it wouldn’t disappoint me if he spent another year in the bullpen. For his sake, I hope Millwood makes his money and comes back, but the days are gone for this team to think he’s a #1 starter on a contender (not even close). He’s just not that guy, no matter how good he is in the clubhouse. I’m 60/40 on re-signing Byrd. His body of work this season is only okay, but he has great heart and let’s not forget he came off knee surgery in the off-season. I know the upside on Hamilton is huge, but I think the Rangers have to think long and hard about whether to keep him. This has less to do with substance abuse in my mind and more about durability. If the Rangers can get good value for him, I would be hard pressed not to trade him. I’m probably in the minority, but I keep Cruz over Hamilton if I absolutely, positively had to make a choice. Last but not least, Chris Davis has to grow from this year and pick up where he seems to be leaving off. If he can hit .260 with a .330 OBP to go with his power and defense, we are set for quite awhile there.

  • JustSaying

    @jack daddy you are a genius……milly and max for milton bradley……..i’d luv to see millwood in a cubs uniform…..but isn’t that an oxymoron?

    @evan my worst game had to be the kenny rogers on the camera man game…..i think i cried after that because i was so sad about the state of the franchise………tonite i have hope because hicks is WELL DONE and the pieces are in place for a real baseball management team to come in and finish off the deal…….and yes that means jd and nolan are gone which is a mixed blessing……….wait i have to go the texas tenors are wailing…….

  • Bobby in Bryan

    A question from a teacher/parent about the instructional league–aren’t those two 16 year olds supposed to be in school in the fall? What’s the deal?